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airports we've rushed to getting, there, getting out how many hours have we waited? how many calls have you made how much could cajoling and talking? how did you come to know me so well time passes and memories fade but i hope i never forget all that we've shared and all that you've been and will forever be to me. >> charlie and i spend more than a month reporting from new orleans and the gulf coast in the difficult days after hurricane katrina. >> the last show we did was from a badly damaged street and it was all deserted and it was charlie and meeting maybe seven or eight others cameraman and engineers and satellite truck operators we've finished around midnight. we broke down the equipment, we wrapped up the cables are other people did neal halls worth one of my cameraman two dozen years from the cooler on his truck and pass them around and we lingered there for time talking remembering the things we'd all just lived through, not wanting that feeling we had to end, but

it had to everything does charlene i got into our car and we drove through the pitch black streets and we didn't speak. we didn't need to i'm very thankful. the trolley is still going to be at cnn, but i'll miss that feeling. driving in the dark, heading toward a new adventure. side-by-side with charlie that's it for us. >> the news continues source with galen collins starts now straighten the source tonight. with a handshake for the ages, donald trump has cemented his iron grip on the republican party, rolling out the red carpet for his return to the capitol building for the first time since a mobs and many of those. now he'd been praised on him running for their lives. >> and the supreme court unanimously upholding access to the most common method of abortion here in america. why that victory though for abortion rights advocates? >> hey, be short-lived and the fallout from that interruption during my sit down with the former georgia special

prosecutor, the lawyer who first exposed nathan wade relationship with the district attorney is here live. i'm kaitlin collins, and this is the source picture in washington dc, the capitol building, the year is 2024. mitch mcconnell and donald trump. and a snapshot that tells you really everything you need to know about donald trump's standing and the republican party today. the two men had not even spoken since december of 2020 something happened a few weeks after that. i don't really remember, but apparently it's now water under the bridge did you talk to him directly an entirely positive session we're actually

told by sources tonight that trump praised mcconnell during that meeting with republicans today, which unless you have been living on a deserted island for the last few years, and we wouldn't blame you if you did. >> you know what an extraordinary full circle moment this really is mcconnell had been one of trump's favorite targets calling him among many names, a broken old crow, even making racist remarks when referring to mcconnell's wife and trump's longtime cabinet secretary, elaine chao, which she herself told me she believed were racist and of course, no one can forget what mitch mcconnell had to say after january 6, 2021 i'd been fed wild falsehoods about the most powerful man on earth because he was angry, lost an election trump's actions preceded the riot or a disgraceful

disgraceful. >> there are election of duty president trump is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day but that was then and this is now a now there's a presidential election to win. >> with all of that as the backdrop, it's really no wonder you saw the homework president walk out with such a pepin his depth when he left today's meeting we met as you know, with the full house republican house today and we had a tremendous meeting with them also. >> and there's great unity. this is an outstanding group of people. i'm with them 1,000% there was me, 1,000%. we agree we just about everything. and if there isn't, we work it out and we've had i've had a really great relationship with just about everybody here. >> did you catch that. part at the end just about everybody

just about loosely defined there. trump took a moment today as he was on capitol hill to boast that most of those ten house republicans who voted to impeach him are no longer there. they've left office or been voted out we also heard from sources inside that room as he was meeting with house republicans that it was quite the airing of grievances. and at the department of justice is according to trump, dirty no good afford president seeming to love every moment of what happened today, anointed king of the hill for a day or as former house speaker, nancy pelosi put it, returning to the scene of the crime. my political sources tonight, our democratic strategist, julie rogan's wronski said and political commentator and veteran of two republican presidential campaigns, margaret hoover and the former new york city mayor build applause you, it's great to have you all here. i mean it's been three-and-a-half years since those comments there from from mitch mcconnell at the end, i wonder what you made of seeing this photo. if we could

put this photo up again, this is what really just stood out that doug mills of the new york times captured. it's mcconnell and donald trump shaking hands. and there's a bit of a smile while mcdonald's let's face. >> there are two things that are happening here first donald trump is returning to the scene or the site of the place where for the first time in american history, more than roughly 250 years there was a violent transition of power. we did not have the hallmark of it. i've acasi a peaceful transition of power and mitch mcconnell knows that and every single one of those senators was there and was witness and ran for their lives that day, for them to welcome back the person who their leader said was the impetus for that violent attack on the capitol. and at the heart of democracy, that they all know our allies around the world have asked all of them in private sessions, is the united states going to be a stable

leader in a free world? because they saw those attacks and they, the idea that they welcome him back it is so deeply disturbing the flip side is that you're seeing the mitch mcconnell that didn't vote to convict, even though he gave that speech saying donald trump is responsible well, and he suggested that the trump could be handled in the court system by what happened that day. that's what by the way, he's being handled in the court system as as but but but maybe not soon enough. and so you're seeing the, the very the institutionalists, mitch mcconnell with all the decorum and demeanor and respect for the institution, but lacking the moral courage that he had in that moment, he had enough moral courage to call trump what he was, but not enough to vote to convict and to welcome him back to the seat. >> and the credit mayor, i mean, you from a political perspective, i mean, it's politics. this is, i mean, i don't think anyone should be surprised. mitch mcconnell, of course, is someone who is a

political animal at his core and donald trump as the nominee. and is this just republicans realizing someone else's not going to be the nominee, they're getting in line behind who is well in normal times, i think that would be accurate, but you're talking about an attempt to overthrow democracy and he's going right back to where it happens. so i think this is a huge backfire honestly, if i were advising him, i would never said go to capitol hill mind everyone that you supported insurrection against democracy or go up to capitol hill and talk about abortion at great length, which he did and tell people it's not such a big deal, which is telegraphing to american women. a reminder of who took away their right to choice. i mean, this, this to me is insane that he would go there and act like all could be forgotten, for example, forget the fact that republicans overthrew their own house speaker yeah, that wasn't a show of unity that that was a like a hostage video where it really seemed like everyone had to seem like they are okay, but they're not really okay. and the american people can figure that out you saw who was

standing behind him that was those were the senate republican as it were standing behind them, j.d. >> vance of ohio, who is also rumored to be one of donald trump's vice presidential picks, potentially, we'll see julie had this to say about what trump said when he was at the capitol today i think that no real republican with any credit, the land party is still blaming they're even frankly some of his critics we're were in the room and were supported. so it's a good thing look, the bent the knee to the guy that tried to kill them. >> i mean, let's be very clear about what happened today and ultimately, what donald trump is trying to accomplish here is to say no big deal. january 6 was not a big deal because the very people who are in the house that de, are in the center of that de, don't think it's a big deal they've completely forgotten about it. so why are the rest of you freaking out about this? it's off the table. it's done. that to some extent is a startling,

startling turn of events because as we talked about earlier, these are people who fled for their lives. >> and yet they are pragmatic. >> they're not institutionalis ts. they don't care about the institution, would they care about as winning elections and with or without donald trump instance, they can't do it without him. they're going to do it with him. and that's that's us something about where we are as a nation today in 2024, where one of our two major parties does not care about anything other than clinging to power. >> but people can see that. i mean, i think the important point here is that that comes across, it's so craven, it's so abrupt the public is smart. i mean, i think we should never underestimate the voters. they're watching all these signals and the voters of this country i believe are fundamentally that closer, then inflation at the grocery store, the southern border issues like that or are they worried about because you don't really see the optics when trump is on the hill today, no one really is bringing up january 6, looks up the reporters who are asking these republicans about it. >> i agree with you. i think there are other front-line issues, kitchen table issues

that are more on their mind, but i'll tell you one thing. i think the american people do believe in democracy. i think they are fundamentally moderate. they want a sane head at the helm. today reminded them of instability and the american people do believe in them right to choice. and again, by having a long dialogue with the congressional republicans about how you talk about the fact that the right to choice was taken away. he just reminded american women, yet again, who took that away from them. >> and what was also notable is behind closed doors. he did talk about abortion. the other thing he complained about unsurprisingly was the justice department. and i mentioned and he called them no-good, dirty, no-good. and this comes as republicans in the house are trying to pursue a bill that would essentially allow them to move state-level level cases to federal courts. it's not going to go anywhere. it's not going to happen, but it shows that republicans, when they're in charge will put legislation behind donald trump's grievances. >> he wants to get rid of. he doesn't want to be held accountable. i mean, he's been a held accountable by a new

york court. any it's driving them bonkers. and so i mean, he's been the reports are that he's been going to mike johnson saying we have to overturn this, we have to overturn this. and so they're putting these bills through it to create some kind of pathway for him to overturn it. the truth is if he is reelected, he he will have his federal cases abrogated. they will not he will not be held accountable. and that's this one the hallmarks of authoritarianism authoritarian leaders try to shirk responsibility, accountability, and they politicized justice that is what donald trump is very clearly trying to do. and i just think it's incumbent upon those of us who have the moral courage to call it as it is. and by the way, like it does not make me happy that the republican party has become this. this is not their poem party. i grew up and this is not the republican party. many of us remember, even if you're never part of it, right? but what we do healthy parties in this does it just it is it is such a tragedy for american democracy, but we still see some of that crossover of the republican party before trump and republican party. now when larry hogan is running, he was

the governor of maryland. he's running for senate there. he was criticized by, by trump's campaign who said his campaign was dead in the water because he said people should it's like the verdict here in new york, but he was up on capitol l today or a trove was a phone capital. he was asked about larry hogan. he said he's endorsing him, that he does want him to win and that could be one, a shocking move from trump, but two a cold political calculus because you wants the senate to be in republican hands today. >> i mean, he's saying he's endorsing him today until larry hogan said there's something else that donald trump gets upset about and then he's going to take back the endorsem*nt i mean, look, if you're hogan, do you really maryland, do you really want donald trump's endorsem*nt? i mean, the problem that he didn't vote for inventories in the problem for larry hogan is he's kind of in a bind right on the one hand, he can't win without the maga faction coming up where him on the other hand, he really can't win being a maga guy and having donald trump's endorsem*nt, maybe the kiss of death and maybe trump knows that immediately this is as revenge against larry. i mean, who knows? that's, you can't get into the mind of donald trump's. you can't really understand what the motivation is other than revenge,

vengeance, and kraven power. okay, but i have to ask you, mayor about the other thing that was said today, which is what nancy pelosi and trump reportedly said inside the room that what am nancy pelosi's daughters she is several told him that he would have a great romance with their mother and another life, christine pelosi did not like that, and she spoke for all of her sisters to say the tropez, a deranged obsession with our mother. she said that it was a lie but i mean what do you have what can you say? >> look, but this is another example of getting every time he's not talking about the issues that actually might be a stronger suit for him. i don't agree with the fact that so many americans and keep be a good steward of the economy. but the polling does show that, for example, he's not talking about the economy he's not talking about inflation. he's talking about what a great romance he might have had when nancy pelosi, another life, i mean, just just tells the american people he is not focused on their needs or their lives and he's also tells them, tells him he's got a rich fantasy life and i don't think they want a president with a

rich fantasy life. they want a president can start to solve some of the problems where we're dealing with every day. >> yeah. i mean, the other thing you talked about was milwaukee for the republican convention is. we'll get to that in a moment. margaret hoover builds applause. you, julie reagan ski. thank you all for being here and tonight. i'm laura coates live. you're going to hear from the milwaukee mayor, mayor johnson, because he's going to respond to what trump said today. there was a high dispute over it, whether or not he called it horrible and what his context was that will be at 10:00 p.m. eastern. you won't want to miss it. also coming up for us here on the source, a supreme court ruling that stunned many today. >> but you've got to read the fine print of this suzanne on access to the abortion pill. >> plus you saw the former top prosecutor on trump's georgia case on this show last night, to answer on the timeline of his relationship with district attorney. now, the attorney who brought all of that to light, is going to join me when the competition is a nuclear competition, spying is extraordinarily important

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four imprint.com. for certain i'm dr. sanjay gupta and this is cnn tonight, abortion. rights advocates are celebrating a narrow victory, but quite possibly also a temporary one president biden is warning that the fight for reproductive rights in the united states is continuing saying no respond to the supreme court ruling, attacks on medication, abortion are part of republican elected officials, extreme and dangerous agenda so to ban abortion nationwide, all of this comes after that and unanimous ruling we got today from the supreme court preserving access to the abortion pill known as mifepristone. >> joining me tonight to discuss democratic senator of minnesota and the klobuchar, who is one of the senate's most vocal supporters of protecting abortion access. so it's great to have you here hunter because originally this was, was quite broad. they wanted to basically erase the

fda's approval. but it was narrowed significantly by the time it reached the courts. so i wonder, do you fear that this is a short-term victory for abortion rights advocates? >> well, for good reason, because their way to protect women's rights in this country, their health care, their rights to everything from ivf to abortion the way to do that is by codifying roe v. wade into law. now by having a series of lawsuit after lawsuit after lot i'll suit so that you, caitlin become like a perpetual court reporter. and yes, this was narrow and we are pleased that this case was thrown out. i predicted this on this network. but what justice kavanaugh said in this case was, they don't have standing. that means like, where's the beef basically, they don't prescribe this drug. they're not forced to prescribe this drug. he points all that out, but what the concern is, he leaves open, which is a fact

that other people could come and brynn cases in the future, it doesn't rule out that someone wouldn't have standing now then you get to the merits and the merits are ridiculous. this has been approved in 90 countries. it's safe medication that is very clear. and the fact that you've got judges in texas and legislatures and courts looking at lawsuits right now at kansas, missouri, idaho oh, are all looking at suits themselves. so the way to stop this perpetual lawsuit machine when it comes to women's rights, where you've got one state doing one thing. another thing when doing another, criminalizing doctors, you can't travel across state lines. it's a horror show. there's thousands of women that are traveling to another state getting on a bus getting in a car just to get reproductive health care and that's why the answer is what joe biden wants to do, which is to codify roe v. wade into law. >> well, and also i know on the

hill, democrats were trying to pass a bill today that would protect access to ivf nationwide senate republican against blocked it almost every single one of them voted against it. and i wonder what you say though to those senate republicans who voted against it because they say it's political grandstanding by democrats like you i'd like them to say that to the two women that i met with this morning from minnesota both of whom have lovely children because of ivf, 8 million 8 million kids born in the united states with ivf over 1,100. >> justin my state alone last year these are real families. these are families that look at this with horror and of course, we want to codify it into law and so if they want to do it, don't just talk about it do it. and we had a perfectly good bill that made it very clear, led by center murray and duckworth and others that may it very clear that this would

be the law of the land, the right to ivf that we made sure our veterans had access to the health care and we made sure that people could afford it through their insurance. that's what that vote was about today. but what about republicans only susan collins and lisa murkowski voted with us. >> yeah. and they said the restaurant again, share every single one of them. they thought women have access to abortion drug, which is widely popular. i'd say than viagra. i should note but we talking about the access, to contraception bill that they also blocked earlier this week. >> but when we had senator ted cruz on the program few weeks ago, specifically on the ivf issue. >> here senator katie britt from my home state of alabama had proposed a bill to protect ivf that was blocked by senate democrats. i think regular people sitting at home, will look at what happened today and what happened last week or earlier this week and say, well, if they both agree that ivf axis should be protected, why can't they just come together and pass something together? >> there were some serious

issues with that legislation many people have said that because while the words were there, it actually would open up the possibility of all kinds of restrictions, whereas our bill was very clear and come on now, either you want to allow ivf or you don't and i've always believed like you have got to allow women the right to make their health care decisions. now, politicians and you don't want ted cruz in the waiting room and i don't think he's the one you want to trust to protect women when it comes to ivf senator, before you go, i've got to ask you about an investigation going on into supreme court ethics because we learned today from the chairman of the senate judiciary committee that dick durbin, that justice clarence thomas actually took more trips on that gop megadonor and his friend harlan crows, crows plane than we previously do. >> but this is actually what stood out to me he becomes a spokesperson for harlan crow said, the committee got this information from none other than harlan crow himself, in exchange for the committee

agreeing to end its probe with respect to mr. crow, are you on board with that condition? >> well, let me make clear that this isn't over. there can be investigations in the future. this was about the specific investigation and the request that was made from this committee because what are we finding? we're finding that harlan crow paid for justice thomas's trips on yacht trips on private planes he just like a full time travel agency. it's unbelievable. his mom's house and yet crow is on boards of directors that have cases are filed, briefs on major cases that are pending before the court until all we're really trying to do right now. in addition to this investigation, which is going on on a different levels, is to get to the bottom of why can we have an ethics law codified into law for the supreme court every other federal judge in the country. and this is senator white house's bill every single court and federal

judge in the country abides by these rules, rules about recusal. so why? i would do recuse himself as clarence thomas did from a case involving virginia tech because his kid went there and not the insurrection cases. now that we know his wife's role in the leg, also, ethics and money and making very clear what the rules are. that's what we're trying to do. we've got to have very clear called rules? because it's just one thing after another. and i want people to have trust in the court and you do it with ethics rules. >> yeah. just surprising to see that part about the harlan crow ending the investigation into him will continue to track a closely, as i know you do as well. senator amy klobuchar, thank you for your time it's great to be on kaitlyn. >> thanks. >> thank you. >> and also tonight, the fulton county district attorney, fani willis, was in public today calling out her critics in a fiery speech that comes just hours after our sit down with the prosecutor resigned from her office. >> after my next guest exposed or relationship. the attorney

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see, some tired of hearing these idiots call my name has fanny in a way to attempt to humiliate me because like silly schoolboys the main reminds them of a woman rear. >> the election conspiracy case against the former president right now is bottled up in a state appeals court and defense attorneys want willis disqualified. still over her relationship with a former prosecutor in her office, nathan wade. it's just last night that you saw him on this show. he had this reaction when asked about the timeline sign of their relationship just to clarify, when did the romantic relationship between the two of you start? >> yeah. so we get into there's been this effort to say that. okay these these

exact dates are are at issue and these exact dates are i'm getting i'm getting signaled here my golf lecture second. yes. okay of course, the attorney who first brought up the existence of this relationship joins me now, ashleigh merchant represents donald trump's co-defendant in the state of georgia, michael roman and ashley, it's great to have you here. >> nathan wade, as you heard heard in that interview, said that the defense attorneys you as part of that, are using his relationship with fani willis to create delays and distractions in this case, what's your response to that i think that's ridiculous. >> we are not the one causing delays if they did not want to delay, they could have sent this to a neutral prosecutor, a different prosecutor to review the case. and that would have stopped all of these delays.

they could have withdrawn from the case. there's a lot of things that could have happened that would not have further these delays, these delays or nothing but their own fault. they're not the defense lawyers fault. >> well, i think they may see that and say if fani willis, herself withdrawals from the case, it's not clear that another prosecutor in your estate would take get up, right? >> well, mr. wade also said he felt very strongly about his case if they felt so strongly about the evidence, then why are they so scared about another prosecutor reviewing it? that is what i don't really understand. why would they be so scared about transparency? why are they so scared about someone else actually reviewing this? if the case is that strong than they shouldn't be scared of that they should want welcome it. >> yeah. and i should note that you're still trying to remove district attorney fani willis from this case right now. it is going to go before the court of appeals. but when you look at the arguments that you're expected to make about this, i mean, if judge mcafee listened to your arguments for two-and-a-half days hurdle that testimony. he didn't find a reason to remove her why do you believe that the court of appeals will find any

differently well, because we think that he applied the wrong standard. >> we think that we showed more than enough to show an appearance of impropriety. we think we actually showed a conflict as well. so i think that it goes much further than that. and you've got to understand nathan wade has been paid more than any prosecutor in american history. the timing of the relationship is important. you got a little bit of a taste of what i experienced when i was questioning him on the stand, very invasive, didn't want to answer that question. it is a very simple question. when did this relationship start? that is not a tough thing to remember. when you started having an extra affair with your boss, that's not something that's difficult culture. remember, these, these constant inconsistencies that's what we're talking about in this case. and i think the court of appeals is going to see that. >> so you're not going to be arguing your plan right now is not going to argue any different facts or show any different evidence, but you just believe the standard that judge mcafee used here is going to be what's it's milli different here. >> well, caitlin, i wish i

could argue nor more an additional facts, but we're not allowed to do that in the appellate courts. unfortunately, we have to review what's already in the record. i think if we were able to put more evidence and if people were more forthcoming for example, i would have loved to have seen their cell phones. they've got machines in their office where they can hook their cell phone up and we could actually see proof of when this relationship started. we would have liked to have seen receipts from all of these cash transactions. we didn't get any of that. i wish we could do that in the appellate courts, but were not able to. so unfortunately, we're stuck arguing what is called review and so just reviewing what was heard previously in the corpulent what do you what do you say to people who look at this or hearing? for that interview with nathan wade or watched when you questioned wade and fani willis and say, okay, they had this relationship it's unseemly and certainly not becoming of prosecutors in this office. but what does it have to do with donald trump and his co-defendants trying to overturn the election in the state of georgia. it doesn't. those two aren't actually related it is always relevant.

any conduct that undermines the american public's view of the justice system. anything that undermines our legal system is always going to be relevant. it's no different than if we had a police officer who did a racially biased stop and then we challenge it and we file a motion to suppress we're not challenging whether or not the person had drugs that they found in the car. we're challenging the police officer's conduct. if the police break the law, then they're evidence is thrown out. if the prosecutor breaks the law, then they are not able to continue to prosecute a case that is always relevant. anything that undermines the justice system is always relevant. >> but i would say obviously racially profiling is illegal, having a relationship with someone that you work with is not but but what's at the heart of this code isn't phone county though. it's actually illegal and fulton county, but that's why it wasn't exposed. they didn't expose it. and if it hadn't been illegal, they would have told the fulton county commissioner they kept this a secret because it is illegal and it is actually a federal offense to have honest services fraud. >> but the judge, scott mcafee said that the defense did not

meet the burden of proof to prove that there was a conflict of interests, whether it was from the relationship or even from obviously, the financial aspect of this as well, which was a big part of this, but to the heart of this, which is what i'm interested in is the indictment in and of its self and your client, mike roman, is not just charged in georgia, he's also now been charged in arizona and wisconsin with attempts to overturn the election. and so i mean, you do acknowledge that the behavior of the fulton county prosecutors has nothing to do with those charges and those other states, right? >> oh, and the other states definitely. it only has to do with the fulton county case. and i don't know about the behavior of the prosecutors in those states. but what i do know is the case in fulton county, he's charged with racketeering. that's a very serious felony that carries up to 20 years in prison. that is very different than what he's charged with an arizona and what he's charged with in wisconsin, which are lower-level felonies very different charges. i don't really understand what exactly he's charged with in those states because i'm not involved in it. but the fulton county case is definitely much more serious because of the use

of the racketeering offense. >> but what arizona they're quite serious as well. i mean, obviously it is racketeering and georgia, but in arizona, it's conspiracy and fraudulent schemes in artifices, six counts of forgery there and wisconsin, obviously similar charges is well and so when you when you look at what your client has said so far about this, when he testified before the january 6 congressional committee, he was subpoenaed. he pled the fifth on every single question about his activity after the election if he testifies, if this ever goes to trial, is you also going to play the fifth or how would he answer those questions? >> well, it's a little bit different in a criminal trial where a defendant has a constitutional right to not take the stand or to testify. so you're not putting a position where you're under subpoena like you are on a civil proceeding and you have to play the fifth. that's a little bit different. and unfortunately you have to play the fifth when you think that what you are saying can be used against you in political prosecutions. and so any good lawyer is going to advise their client when they don't know that the entire world could

determine to use lawfare against them and try and prosecute them for anything that they've said a good lawyer is going to say play the fifth in that instance, and that's the safe bet. always. >> but even sure. >> and obviously everyone has a right to play the fifth, but one of the questions was, where were you on the day of the election? >> and i didn't advise him at that point, so i wasn't the one that it was advising him on what to play the fifth two and whatnot to plead the fifth. but the big problems as just as a criminal defense lawyer, when you don't know what other states and amine to look at georgia, this if you look at all of the discovery in the georgia case, i've seen nothing illegal. there's nothing legal and we've asked multiple times, come forward, tell us what it is that they did this actually illegal there's nothing there's no intent to defraud. there's no proof of that. so if you've got that fear, the safest option when you're appearing in front of january 6, committee is to play the fifth because you don't know how that is going to be used. he has been indicted for something that's not legal here in georgia. and so you

have to have caution when you're testifying in front of a committee like that. >> well, conspiracy to commit for during the first first-degree conspiracy to commit false statements and writings violation of the rico act, conspiracy to commit impersonating a public officer, and conspiracy to commit filing false documents. those are illegal in the state of georgia those are legal, definitely, if he actually did those, the problem with the state's case is that they have to prove he had an intent to defraud. there's no intent to defraud and that's one of the things that if we had had a prosecutor who was not interested, if we had had a prosecutor who was not having an affair, a prosecutor who was not paying her boyfriend more than any other prosecutor in american history had ever been paid? i don't believe we would ever seen an indictment in this case it's really not that hard to get an indictment. i think that's one thing that a lot of people don't really understand. getting an indictment is not hard. i used to be a public defender in fulton county and one of my fellow public defenders was indicted along with his client just because his name appeared on a legal pleading that's how easy it is. i mean, when they

say you can indict a ham sandwich, you truly can indict a ham sandwich. >> ashleigh merchant, we'll see where this goes once the georgia court of appeals here is that thank you for joining us tonight. thank you up. >> next, president biden has a new warning to president putin on the global stage alongside russia's archenemy wednesday, cnn celebrated juneteenth nothing performance by john legend, hadi lewbel, smokey robinson. we still have a lot of work to do juneteenth celebration the freedom in legacy wednesday at ten on cnn every renaissance fair and united states came into being, the beat luck george i'm trying to find somebody to take care of the festival before i die wherever it comes across with the cash, gets, i'm trying to play the long game is going to bother festival don't ever and dresses to make me look that but i kinda georgie. all you have to do is make the plan

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frozen russian assets here in the united states and abroad. some complicated measures, but ultimately it's president biden trying to send a direct message to the russian president we cannot be, cannot wait us out. it cannot divide us. and we'll be with ukraine until they prevail this war here tonight, professor of international affairs at the new york, at the new school khrushchev, who was also the co-author of input and footsteps, searching for the soul of an empire across russia's 11 and time zones you know what stood out to me today was to see those g7 liters and zelenskyy standing next to them, obviously in the eighth spot that used to be occupied by vladimir putin he goes to be occupied by russia. >> yes. >> just to see that dynamic and obviously, there ukraine is not part of the g7, but i wonder what you made up of just seeing them side-by-side, ten years later, you rush it, ultimately

kicked out because of their illegal annexation of crimea to see that visual today well, it has been ten years, so by now, it's really not that relevant for the russians, for example, was much more relevant that russia was not presented at the normandy celebration, that ukraine was there in russia was not because normandy would not have happened without the soviet union. >> and yet that was kind of this. iran the tragedy of history, which of course then followed up. but the g7 meeting as well, we'll obviously the us election is looming over all of this. and i mean zelenskyy, he talked about that today because it is a question of does the us support for ukraine still look like it does today? this is what he had to say. >> it seems to me that narwhal, no matter whom the nation chooses, but at the same information to me that everything depends on the unity you just know this or that state. and if the people are with us any leader will be with

us in this struggle for freedom i was in ukraine a few months ago when they couldn't even get weapons because of the russians block the republicans, blocking them on capitol hill. >> i mean, do you think that's overly optimistic? >> i think it is a lip to mystic. i mean, i think he has to say it and jill biden has to give a direct message to put him but putting is not going to i hear it. i mean, this war is going to go for as long as putin wants it to go in for as long as the united states and the west continues to support the fact that ukraine insists that he can win it. i'm really quite doubtful about that. >> yeah. and i think we've heard from a lot of national security experts as well. the other news that we've got today was evan gershkovich, the wall street journal reporter is now going to stand trial and russia soon they've prepared this indictment on espionage charges, which of course the us is totally baseless. they've not provided any evidence what is, he able to go through? i mean, you know what the justice system in russia is like from

your friends who are rushing to live there. what's it like for evan gershkovich? well, i don't know exactly what his trial is going to blake, i think it's going to be closed when we're going to see what's happening because it's espionage. >> so it's national security i would imagine that the sentence is going to be quite large. >> i don't know how many years he would get, but it's going to be quite large because the russians would have to make him into a value target. so if there is going to be exchanges, the more he gets, the more years he gets in russian prison, the more value person here in the united states would be associated for him. and i think that's the reason for that trial and that's the reason to keep him in jail, to make sure that he can become then a great exchange person, two people who go on trial and russia are they were found innocent not anymore i mean, now, basically somebody winks and you become guilty all together. >> so i think for an american, it's absolutely an extra,

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time ago, we were crazy i have to draw some gelatin actually, i'm not sure i love it or not, but telling it is here tonight did discuss cnn political commentator earl lewis and arrow i mean, obviously trump is like laughing about his mug shot there we, his fund raised off it to the tune of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars. >> but to see that he is what he's doing with this is trying to reach young voters in logan. paul has a massive following online. >> that's right. he's got over 23 million followers on youtube. this is an interesting kind of inversion that's going on where normally it's democrats to appeal to younger voters and not republicans. but the polls are showing that for gravitating toward joe biden and young people are gravitating donald trump. so here he is 77-years-old, awkwardly trying to connect with the generation of his grandchildren will end speaking a burgeoning, they sell that t-shirt on the trump campaign

website. joe biden just posted this t-shirt that he selling on his campaign website it has the state of wisconsin on it and it says not a horrible city for people who weren't paying attention to the back-and-forth on the hill today, donald trump was up there and apparently called milwaukee a horrible place was talking about the crime right there milwaukee is where republicans are holding their convention in like three weeks from now. so it got a lot of blowback from officials there who they strategically pick the city for a reason because it's a state of where it went democratic by something like 21,000 votes or something, they need that state if they want to win in the fall. and so they wanted to go to the city and sort of show that is a little out of character to go to a democratic city like milwaukee. but they were going to try and make a good show of it. donald trump had other plans became this huge thing today where reporters were asking the wisconsin delegation about what trump said about milwaukee, always a source of pride for them. some of them were saying he didn't say it. some of them were saying he did, but they didn't hear it. trump himself confirmed in an

interview later on with another reporter that he did talk about milwaukee yeah. >> a look by the time the convention rolls around, everybody in the republican party will have to be on the same page. and i think that page will be we love milwaukee, we want and need every single vote we can possibly get out of wisconsin and anybody who says anything to the contrary, misspoke or took the president, the former president's comments out of khan. >> okay? to ask you because we are sitting here in new york and we often talk about the new york city mayor eric adams. he is in a little bit of hot water over a comment that he made to a reporter about their physical appearance. this is what he said when you look up working out some body going the reporters said they they were it was a guy. >> he said he was not offended by that comment. obviously it fits into a bout or to what we've seen from the mayor, what do you make it? >> you made it out. he's made a lot of comments like that and they'll look the reality is everyone watching who's ever dealt with their hr department knows that you cannot you

should not you must not make those kinds of comments, doesn't matter if the person wasn't offended. it doesn't matter if you were just joking. it doesn't matter if everybody else in the room laughed and thought it was okay. you're just not supposed to do it. it's not appropriate for the workplace and that's whether you work in a factory or whether you work in an office your work in city hall? >> what especially in the year of our lord, 2024 i always think that there's sort of a power dynamic going on when people in power tried to have fun at someone else's expense. >> it's a way of saying, haha, big me little you, i get to make fun of you. i get to call attention to your appearance and so forth. and of course it doesn't work both ways. reporters don't do that to the marriage for of new york. and i think in some ways that's the whole point. he might be fine if they did. well that's true. >> but there again, as your hr direct screw will explain to you, it doesn't matter if everybody thought it was a joke. you're just not supposed to do that. >> errol louis quite a time to be following politics as closely as you are. thank you so much for being here. thanks thank you all so much for joining us on this thursday night up next law codes live,

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